Stability is nothing more than reliable code. I love the hardware but why have a 500 gb hard drive on a device that requires i be coonected to a cloud? Code for every possible component is specifically built into the firmware and tested. It’s because their hands are tied by google. I don’t know why they’re embracing exclusivity but you making excuses for them is rather silly. Admittedly, I stopped pricing Windows laptops a couple years ago. If you're unable to shell out $1,399 for a 13-inch Apple … Windows laptops have become cheaper than Chromebooks? Those third-party app makers. You can’t tell me that you can get a $250 CB now that has this flexibility. Chromebooks should cost less if they have cheaper hardware. This type of user experience really kills user enthusiasm. So you’re telling me that google can only do lower specs at a bigger price? Chromebase, Chromebook, Chromebox, Chrome OS, Pixel Slate and Pixelbook are all registered trademarks of Google. Chromebooks are super cheap. But if a Chromebooks meets your needs, don’t be surprised to pay a premium compared to that same Windows laptop that appears to have the same guts. Although ChromeOS is good, Windows has adapted well to meet modern requirements, my view of Windows is more positive than before-all I needed was new hardware. What I do notice between FydeOS and a CB is that the CB has better Android support while FydeOS has many issues with Android Apps, but I find installing Windows apps and drivers to be much more successful on it. Let’s see a Windows machine do that. A 2GB Chromebook is usable, if a bit slow and annoying. This thing has been an amazing computer that has satisfied practically all of my computing needs with flying colors. With this in mind, why should there be such an additional cost associated with hardware compatibility that is passed on to consumers of Chromebooks? Programs are not available for the Chrome platform. I installed a $20 256 GB NVME and for fun a 2 TB Samsung SM863 as a secondary drive. or wears out (battery). I have experience with Unix, Linux, Android, Ms Dos, Windows. Once I got a wireless printer, there was no further need for Windows. I opted to run CloudReady on a Lenovo X240 with a 1080p touch screen (which I dont really use), an i5, 8gb of RAM, and 128gb SSD. That program is gone and that means when you buy a Windows laptop, you’re very likely going to see apps and services pre-installed with some third-party games, trials, anti-virus programs or other software.Credit: LaptopMag.com. Hahah! CB users tend to be the worst as they only know how to browse and text, anything beyond that is an IT problem. No need to mark every individual file or folder. Since I went through the pain of transitioning from Windows (with which I was working since version 2.0) to Linux I never looked back. They are Google reference architectures that OEMs manufacture, market, sell, & support. He’s also never seen a Pixel at any developer’s conference which is interesting since so many Googlers attend those conferences. Maybe it’s because I’m a power user I can keep Windows stable and have been able to avoid 99% of the bugs that happens with updates. In other words, why the need to use specialized hardware and different drivers? I’m not able to share details on who, such as Chrome OS hardware partners, may or may not pay some or all of those costs, but they’re there. Mostly low end garbage. That new Apple Arcade game subscription will work not just on your iPhone or iPad but on your Mac too. Put another way: The relatively same hardware for a Chromebook has little to no price movement opportunities compared to a comparable Windows laptop. Speed was an artifact of OS size. He can also let a friend log into his Chromebook using their own Gmail account and, boom, they’ve got all of their settings as if they were on their own device and their activity doesn’t negatively impact the overall device. The cost of a Chromebook includes 5 years of secure operation, and frequent updates that take interrupt the user less than 10 minutes per year total- including AV protection. There’s no reason it should be incompatible with anything that’s not X86 based.Also, Do you mean to tell me that Google, the company that works on android, doesn’t know how to build a distro? It sounds like a difficult question, but the answer is simple. After that, we can talk about security and other features many of us just don’t think about. After years of waiting, someone finally created a decent add-on Goal Seek tool. That’s part of the story. I enjoy ChromeOS but I agree, the hardware seems a bit pricey for what you're getting sometimes. But I suspect for most it’s all they really require. They not only lost a customer for life, I made it my mission to make sure only the dumbest, poorest people on the planet would ever considering buying a CB, but thanks to the new price, now it’s only the dumbest. From what I can see of the hardware, I suspect it can support NVME, but being a Dell, it may not have the module installed in the BIOS. I now switch between Android smartphones and various devices all centered around Google Photos, Google Calendar, Google Mail, Google Drive and Google Contacts on almost a daily basis – with ALL data available on any device at anytime. I have a VM with Windows 7 for some old Windows app which I am still using once a month. I use both Firefox and Chrome as browsers just because neither can quite do everything the other can do. For some, these integration points are worth the extra cost of a Mac over a cheaper Windows laptop that has the same hardware parts.Credit: Apple. No kid begs for the Nintendo Wii because it has less power and worse graphics than the PlayStation or Xbox. The closest I’ve found is the Pixel Slate which Google has already abandoned (which is the other problem Google has… A lack of attention span for products). Chromebooks are supposed to have everything done in the cloud so what is the justification for 16 GB or RAM and an i7? If you’re working to a tighter budget for your next laptop – say, under $400 – then it’s a decision between an entry-level Windows laptop or a Chromebook. If you need a workhorse, you’re better off getting a windows laptop, installing Linux, and run windows in a VM if needed, or even ChromeOS. Here’s why. Also, Google seems to have completely forgot to support GNU software on their devices. My theory is that Google has lost so much money on the Chromebook experiment that someone in marketing suggested an increase in price would make weak minded people believe they now have a better product. It’s because Chromebooks can’t be manufactured on the same factory line as those flagship systems, can’t leverage the same global parts supply chain, & can’t share many components with other devices in their fleet. I should not have to go to the Drive website to get my files on my Chromebook. You don’t redesign a new product, you design it. Think of Windows PC's as "sponsored devices" and it will start to make more sense. That seems like total overkill when GNU software can be compiled natively to work inside the operating system. So naturally I started looking at chromebooks after learning about the linux capabilities. I also got a 17″ 8th gen i3 lappie for $299. It’s not knowing what it can or can’t do but expecting it to meet your needs regardless. I made a switch from Windows to Linux 12 years ago – and I never looked back. Google is an information services provider and if its service access products owners don’t get good support, they will lose confidence. When I was running Linux none of the Wifi issues appeared so I knew it wasn’t hardware related. Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. In the past, the Chromebook’s primary distinguishing characteristic was lower price. For some it’s a weakness. There are definite gaps in Chromebook functionality as compared to Windows, but since Android apps have come into the Chromebook fold, this gap has significantly narrowed. I also have the option of doing offline updates with my Windows laptop and specifically picking out the updates I want so I can just get the security updates and skip all the feature updates. With the Windows PC, you are hating life and wondering if the place you bought it from will take it back.. or if you can give it away. The ability to run Linux in a secure container. This remark somewhat struck a chord with me. Most of the drivers should be fairly standard. Manufacturers view it as a small segment of buyers that can be exploited. I just typed and the deleted a large post about the idea of legacy and the interesting space we are in when it comes to desktop computing. Like expensive smartphones or Windows laptops, high-end Chromebooks are faster, stronger, and more enjoyable to use than … Yes, 80% of the world might use Windows OS based computers but not all are like you and me where we are knowledgeable enough to keep Windows malware and virus free. I can only hope this power button bug will be fixed by 2020. Just about a month ago I personally experienced this problem. Maybe I’m overlooking something but why is Google trying to re-engineer Chrome OS to work differently than most major Linux distributions that already have working drivers for hundreds of hardware devices? I still find it hilarious that in this day and age, there are people at Google who will attempt to defend using a small eMMC in a CB when NAND is currently so cheap. Best Buy. And Chrome OS doesn’t meet the needs of everyone. The reason Macbooks have such a great experience is because Apple controls the hardware. (A serious question, as it was not true before.) Apple’s iOS devices natively integrate with MacBooks with features such as Handoff and Continuity, for example. In short, it’s not a very profitable business to be in, at least not for consumer. It’s actually quite hilarious when an Apple user puts in a ticket to ask questions on how to do simple things in Windows like mapping a printer or finding their missing shortcut on the Desktop. This leads me to relate a similar situation with Apple’s laptops. Replacement battery was 90 dollars REALLY, 90 dollars. There’s a potential premium involved for such exclusivity and an experience that’s far more consistent on devices built by or designed by the software maker. I’ve used some of the same points in my discussion with people about why I think they should switch. I don’t care if it’s got 6 gig or 8. From a Chromebook perspective, you’re getting value-adds as well. (At that time, Windows laptops near the same price point we’re junk.). This team, in conjunction with the laptop brand as well as Intel, AMD and other chip companies, designs a baseboard for use with Chrome OS. It takes 6-12 months to have a system built, tested and certified. But Google’s relationship with the customer as a guinea pig tester is challenging at best, infuriating at worst. But if a … Again, this problem could be solved if Google changed how they let OEMs make chromebooks. With Windows, Microsoft includes thousands of driver files to account for practically every reasonable combination of hardware, ranging from displays, hard drives, trackpads, wireless radios, webcams and more. They run Chrome OS, essentially a Chrome web browser vehicle, and are often priced several hundred dollars less than a Windows PC. those don't have touch screen. The cost of supporting the OS will pay back many times over in advertising revenue of the school kids then stick with the platform across laptop, phone, TV etc. It ALMOST makes me want to go back to Linux full-time. That gives a Windows device maker more pricing flexibility. Sure, there is Crostini, but again, why the need to run a package manager from a Docker container? I look at some of these Chromebook features that add to the experience as well as the premium cost, although I’m sure there are some that I’ve missed: Every Chromebook available for sale boots up with the same interface and the same core group of web apps and services. I did notice the fragmentation of the ecosystem though and it was a huge annoyance as I now have 3 stores to manage. Chromebooks give you the web, but you’re in trouble if you can’t do everything on the web. With the Chromebook, it is business as usual. “You need to be on line to use your google drive files” nope you don’t! I’ve avoided paying 2x the price for fairy dust and to look ‘cool’. Totally fair point, Pete. I also installed FydeOS on another machine so I could compare the differences and I will say that the CB supported a lot more apps and I can’t see a regular user trying to get Fyde configured properly to default boot into a Google account. Most folks don’t know or care about Linux and most Android apps run in a phone-sized window. Specs for the next Google-branded Chromebook — codenamed 'Hatch' — have seemingly leaked, details below. I find if I put a video app like Youtube or Prime Video on the left and a browsing app like Reddit or Twitter on the bottom and move it to portrait, the apps shift to the top/bottom. Used it at home…used it at work… did everything I needed to do. And last most of the day battery-wise. What do we get like 3 models a year worth even looking at? Macbooks still hold he crown for resale value for older machines. Traditional laptops run on an operating system called Windows … If you want a Windows laptop, regardless of whether is more or less expensive than a Chromebook, it makes sense to buy one. You think Norton, McAfee, or whatever garbage is on a new windows PC got there for free? Over time, I’ve grown to really appreciate the merits of gDocs and gSheets. I just shake my head and move one, because people are idiots. Since they sell many more windows computers, the deal was done. A few exceptions as bargains are: Dell Inspiron 14 inch chromebook, compared to similar Inspiron specced windows version, the screen and battery are better, alas only emmc storage and not upgradeable. Not a bad theory, but wouldn't that cost even out then when you consider the cost of a Windows software license? I normally tell them to look for the Siri button on their keyboard or the computer and to call back when they find it because basic Windows skills was a requirement for the job. Also, the order is and has always been speed, simplicity, and security according to Google’s Chrome OS introduction in 2009: https://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html They drilled it into our brains when I was on the team. I can also avoid installing updates unlike in a CB where Google will force updates until my CB is a brick with no wifi. I also found that the Google Docs app was not to my liking. Chrome browser was already fast – one of its primary initial differentiating features. 1. Plastic vs. metal parts will vary between laptops as well although most of the low-end ones are typically plastic. I do just fine with GIMP and Inkscape. However there are a few cases, whereby the chromebook option is a steal compared to the windows version, as long as you are prepared to wait one year after the device has been introduced. Thanks Scott. Chrome OS is not actually faster in use; it is more resource efficient than Windows. Students should check out our Windows 10 vs. macOS vs. Chrome OS guide for the back to school season. Don’t give up. The same goes for the Lenovo c630 if you can buy it on sale at the lenovo shop. Ouch, that was a bad experience you had, Braddah Cuz, with that Chromebook with the WiFi going off. How do you think OEMs are going to react over the next 18 month after STILL not turning Chromebooks into a profitable business? It does a good job of explaining why some of us have left Mac and Windows for Chrome OS. That would make me jump. Nothing wrong with that. They end up with a mediocre, overpriced device with a fragmented ecosystem because they are supporting too many devices which forces them to spend more time testing. More Expensive Windows Laptops Are Better Too (Apparently). Essentially if a Windows device maker designs a laptop to run Windows, it can generally decide what hardware goes inside the computer and then install Windows. Great question! You can take it on your Mac. For example, I recently bought a Dell Chromebook Inspiron 14. Its performance is amazing easily beating that of the more expensive, more powerful laptop it replaced. Simplicity for users has declined since Play Store compatibility was introduced, simply because of the non-essential features that have been added. Native google drive integration is a joke. I used another laptop to Google the problem and it looked like Google pushed out a new update that made most CB have wifi problems. Nor the ‘restriction’ on hardware; just take a look at Cloudready from Neverware https://www.neverware.com/freedownload. Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. Chrome OS has much lower user overhead. I agree, as I can’t recall many without preinstalled suites and trials and applications. Chrome OS has made great inroads. Any device maker can choose Windows on any hardware that supports it. Agree. Thanks for this piece. Second was portability, facilitated by having a Mobile Hotspot plan on my cell phone. I fully support HTML5, but not everyone on the internet does! Crouton makes my pixelbook tolerable. But I wonder, when considering new chrome books, how can they be used for real programming – C and/or python in a UNIX shell? I told them that I solved the issue and gave them detail instructions on how to disassemble the CB and how to take a hammer and smash it to pieces. But, on the other hand, I never see anyone, including Google, raving about how much better the tools are in gSuite. You have the order of the three S’s wrong. And I knew it was just gonna be a waste because he didn’t really need it this semester. While I appreciate the new monitization apps in Windows 10, Google invented monitizsation! And the good hardware won’t end up with planned obsolescence built in, and I can repair and upgrade it to my hearts content. Windows is a supreme OS. Guess who pays for that? What’s up with that? I cannot connect an external DAC up to the CB which limits what headphones I can use on it. These fanboys are using me-too promotion of Chrome OS, which is NOT-me-too, and their hype is making the manufacturers jump on board a windows-like marketing train. A 2-in-1 is likely my next move but since the ASUS still works, its good to know there is a way to at least get security updates. Eventually, one day, it never recovered from the reset. On the Chromebook R11 the trackpad was disabled until a reboot if you plugged in and the unplugged a hardware mouse. If all you need is a web browser, why pay so much more for an expensive Windows or Mac laptop? And some of that has to be passed down to Chromebook consumers. But it’s not exactly legal from a software licensing standpoint and it’s not something that most computer owners do.]. And theres really not much competition as far as CBs people actually wanna buy goes. Hey! Free at last! And generally the same exact RAM and hard drives. I think this article has some pretty serious inaccuracies or at least misconceptions about the Chromebook market. I would suspect that ChromeOS will still grow in popularity over time. It does much less than a laptop and so is supposed to do it better. Well, I can imagine having all 20,000 users trying to use a CB to do their work or check their email over the VPN because nothing can be ran locally on the laptop itself. There were some shortcomings trying to learn gdocs and gsheets but we overcame them because anything was better than Windows. To get proficient with Linux takes a while but the outcome is worth the effort. But wait… there’s more! A reboot places you in the already updated version of Chrome OS. I see zero added value in buying a high end Chromebook with an i7. There is no more resourceful and ruthless competitor than Microsoft. Chromebook makers don’t have that option because again, there is no third-party software bundled with a Chromebook. Don't forget the chromeboxes, and Chromebases! As also mentioned, there is more ruthless company than Microsoft. I know that’s not everyone but Chromebooks have worked for me for several years. The Chromebook is still ticking away. Running webapps is what lead to Chrome OS. Linux support in not ready for prime time at all. Not a single persistent Chrome OS compromise in Guest mode has yet to happen; A broad range of Chrome Device Management features for enterprises and small businesses (note: license required). Journals are now very directly comparing Chromebooks to Windows PCs. As an all chrome device household, I now have 85% of the equipment no longer updated. It felt less like a proper computer and more like a children’s toy with how limited it was. Software updates in the background that are much quicker to install since they’re applied to a second boot partition. or a machine replacement. I generally approve all comments as long as they’re not abusive towards anyone else in the community here. Stop trying to bullshit us about how ChromeOS works on even low spec computers because that is not what most consumers want. I can run real linux, android apps on a fast cpu with lots of ram, macos if my machine is hackintoshable. Why would anyone justify paying more for less hardware when the experience is the same? True user simplicity arrived in stages based on lots of user feedback, and has leveled off at close to the level of Windows XP -arguably the best UI that Microsoft ever created. We quickly got use to it and trusted it for all our basic computing needs. If there’s one huge argument in favor of Chromebooks, it’s always going to be price. It’s not as polished as a Mac and it’s not as versatile as Windows and I can’t fathom anyone who has a use for a $1500 CB when at that price range, you can get a really nice Windows laptop with NVME SSD, nice GPU, touchscreen and no issues at all with accessories like external DACs. What nonsense. You can obviously add more, of course. But my point is that the hardware is generally supported under Linux even using a mainstream distribution. Somebody has to pay for all of that engineering and development time. Do I need another laptop? They all have their purpose and for some they are perfect. It doesn't make any sense to me. As Martin Luther King said… Free at last! When you buy a Chromebook, you’re not just buying hardware. I later discovered the only solution was to buy a new CB because they basically bricked that model and refused to change the wifi settings back. I’m not sure I would of gotten that much VALUE with a Chromebook and because of my programming needs not even a MAC which I also considered. This process takes many months. Once you embrace the Google environment fully the old ways of doing things will seem so archaic! How about, there isn’t one? There are some expensive Chromebooks that run on Intel Core chips, but most low to mid-range Chromebooks have lesser-known processors. Assuming a Pixelbook successor does launch next month, that’s 18-months of development time. Cheers! It’s actually because 99.9% of Chromebooks are a Google reference architecture which must adhere to Google design specs. Does anyone here know if this model supports NVME since the Dell site has zero documentation or drivers or BIOS for this model. Every single one of them is software tuned specifically in Chrome OS, which goes well beyond adding a supporting driver in Windows. Cheap Windows gear was nowhere near the same standard. What is up with the fragmented ecosystem? Security was the foremost principle, simplicity was a consequence of the security model and the way that Chrome OS was introduced , as a web browser with no desktop. My $250, 3 year old laptop also has no problem decoding HVEC/h.265 video and I can even edit some 4K video if I wanted to. Chromebooks … I am talking about two laptops, from the same manufacturer, with one having significantly worse specs, a free OS, and costing more money. But if a Chromebook is too limited for your personal needs, don’t expect that it should be made cheaper. Also, Forrest Smith from CloudReady is very active in engaging with users! As someone who’s only used the software once or twice in school, i can say that i didn’t particularly find it very open to customization and was a bit bare bones. So now, with a Chromebook, your bases are covered for potentially much less than the cost of a $500-to-$1,000 Windows or macOS laptop. I originally installed GalliumOS but then later installed Void Linux. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. This should be a much clearer indication that even Google employees don’t see a future for Chromebook. I know this from working on the Chrome team at Google. I discovered that none of the methods I use to get a smart report works in a CB. However there are a few cases, whereby the chromebook option is a steal compared to the windows version, as long as you are prepared to wait one year after the device has been introduced. I think the simplicity of ChromeOS shouldn’t be overlooked as the primary selling point. And before the "We don't want Windows" and "Chrome OS doesn't require as much storage/power" brigade comes in, I understand that. On the other hand, all Ch… Hence, the need for a Chromebook Vs Windows … Apple no longer uses the Wolfson DAC and their current implementation actually handicaps their current DAC with software. Because Chromebooks don’t need much power, and to keep the cost down, those entry-level internal components (lesser CPUs, lower memory, near-no storage) will make business tasks … So I ended up buying an Acer Aspire 5 windows 10 laptop with an AMD Ryzen 3 4GB RAM 128 GB SSD for $260 and bought an extra 4GB ram for $25. I highly encourage discussion and debate here from all points of view on Chromebooks and Chrome OS. Instead, the Acers, HPs, and Dells of the world have to work directly with and through the Chromium OS team at Google. I thought it was a simple case of turning on support for the Micro SD card, but no, I also have to go into the app manager individually and give each app access to the card. Heck, we first saw the Atlas baseboard, widely expected to power a new Pixelbook launching next week back in April of last year. At first, I had a dual boot system, but I never had to use Windows. As for running Linux or Android, well, I always have the option of a VM or dual booting for Linux and I can use Bluestacks for Android Apps. I’ve been using it full time for coding in my CS classes since November. “Speed, simplicity and security are the key aspects of Google Chrome OS. Why an iPhone? It’s one setting: https://support.google.com/chromebook/answer/2809731?hl=en I’ve also have my Google Drive files synchronized to my Linux partition in Crostini since January: https://www.aboutchromebooks.com/news/chrome-os-73-dev-channel-adds-google-drive-play-files-mount-in-linux-usb-device-management-and-crostini-backup-flag/. What? i5 and i7 machines that can’t be updated and therefore aren’t safe to continue using. I’ve installed it on dozens of ex-“Windows” laptops. There are more than a few reasons why you’d want to choose a Chromebook over a Windows 10 laptop, though of course, what you need or want to do with your laptop will play a big role … Back to windows for me. 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